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I feel completely stupid right about now.

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Yep I feel about as stupid as a stump. My wife and I have been together for about 20 years all told and today I found out something that I should've know from the get go. To give a little back story I have always been interested in family histories along with the Coat of Arms and Family Crests. I've mostly concentrated on my dad's side of the family as it was the easiest to get information about.

I was searching to see if my dad's name might have a Tartan associated with it. I didn't hold out much hope since it's an English name but you just never know sometimes. While conducting the doomed search my wife popped around the corner and saw the Family Crest on the screen. She asked me what I was searching for and I told her I was looking for the Tartan if there was one. She stood there for a second and then asked me to check her maiden name. I didn't see what it could hurt and since she was showing an interest in her name's history I was more than happy to oblige.

Ok for those of you out there that don't know what a Tartan is I'll tell ya.
" a pattern consisting of criss-crossed horizontal and vertical bands in multiple colors. Tartans originated in woven cloth, now they are used in many other materials. Tartan is particularly associated with Scotland. Scottish kilts almost always have tartan patterns. (Tartan is also known as plaid in North America, but in Scotland, a plaid is a tartan cloth slung over the shoulder or a blanket." Here's the link to more info on Tartans where I got this from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan

Anyway I tossed her name into the family search and up it came. This was good news since her name is spelled many different ways. It wasn't until I took a closer look that I realized something was off. It said her name was Scottish. I turned to her and said "I thought you were Irish" she replied "I am, on my mothers side but Scottish on my dads side". For almost 20 years I had thought she was just Irish but stupidly didn't bother to check.

You might be wondering why this is important well to me it is in the fact that I'd have had a really hard time on her family history if I'd kept to Irish. Another reason is that when looking for Tartans I can now look for her family Tartan as well and we can both wear it since they make kilts for women now as well. On a lark we put in several other family names that are intertwined into ours and found that while some English came into mine it was mostly Scottish and Irish names such as Blake and Gunn and Holder.

I told her that if we can't find her Tartan (my name doesn't have one) we could always fall back on the Air Force Tartan ( yes they have one for all military branches) or we could make one of our own. In the meantime I showed her some kid kilts that would look adorable on the boy or the girls if they want to wear one.

We went back to the Family Crest website and decided to send a copy of it to her dad framed for Christmas as well as getting one for her. She wants to get a family picture done and this way we can hang it between both our family crests there by showing the kids their name history for both sides of the family. While I still feel kind of stupid for just assuming and not asking now we know and I gotta say she has a beautiful crest.

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{"commentId":10827407,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

I don't know why the link didn't come thru so I'll put it here for ya:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartan

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Reply#1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:06 AM EST
{"commentId":10827542,"authorDomain":"monsterskin63"}

Thanks frosty! I've got Celtic blood myself and always wondered about the crest & tartan for my family name. Cool story!

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#1.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:51 AM EST
{"commentId":10827970,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

Laddy - g' mornin - I am Irish- English - and a wee bit Portogoose... and if you say your wife has a 'beautiful crest' and you are the one to see it.. then who are we to argue about her crest..

Being Irish, English, and Portogoose - I like to drink, eat crumpets, and fish...

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#1.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:00 AM EST
{"commentId":10828146,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}

G'morning Par4! I'm all bloody Irish mate, and I jus like to drink

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#1.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:20 AM EST
{"commentId":10829472,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

DaVoH - Top of the morning to ya!

I hope you put a bandaid over the cut... we gained a lot of that thirst for drink by building the first railroads.. ;)

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#1.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:24 AM EST
{"commentId":10833467,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Yadda, Cool, I know that if you do a search on your name it should take you to a site that lists family crests and such. Or you can just go to this link and put in your name:

http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/sId.D230078E-D025-48BB-9322-63D27C3F09E7/qx/default.htm

Par, cool...a little Portogoose huh, interesting combination but at least ya got good food

DaVoH, Never known an Irishman to pass up a wee nip ;) for lucks sake ya know

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#1.5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:22 PM EST
{"commentId":10833544,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

Yeah Portogoose... we gander at the geese and then some.

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#1.6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:28 PM EST
{"commentId":10833909,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

LOL..aint it the truth ;)

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#1.7 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:59 PM EST
{"commentId":10834059,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

So do all women have crest? Or does it matter how old they are before they get them?

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#1.8 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:13 PM EST
{"commentId":10834066,"authorDomain":"mark-dilday"}
we can hang it between both our family crests there by showing the kids their name history for both sides of the family.

Great idea! Hope it works out!

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#1.9 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:13 PM EST
{"commentId":10835499,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Par..lol..nope no age limit. ;)

Mark, thanks I wish I could take credit for it but that idea was all hers and I think it's a great one as well.

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#1.10 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:00 PM EST
{"commentId":10835587,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

So how big are their crest when they get them?

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#1.11 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:06 PM EST
{"commentId":10835671,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

unframed or framed? lol

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#1.12 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:13 PM EST
{"commentId":10835691,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

I like it with a nicely curved frame...

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#1.13 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:15 PM EST
{"commentId":10835734,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

rofl

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#1.14 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:18 PM EST
{"commentId":10836483,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

Frosty.. I am asking a serious question here.. you know it is impolite to laugh at someone.. what's the matter? Do I have something hanging from my nostril? Geesh.. Do I get a curvy framed crest .. I hear they come with an aura about them? ;)

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#1.15 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:18 PM EST
{"commentId":10836517,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

*chuckle* ofcourse you can get them in a curvy frame, I think it makes it look best but it depends on taste.

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#1.16 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:20 PM EST
{"commentId":10836635,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

lmao

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#1.17 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:31 PM EST
{"commentId":10836647,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

;-)

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#1.18 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:31 PM EST
{"commentId":10839165,"authorDomain":"pdisken"}

20 years married and you didn't know your wife is half scottish?

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#1.19 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:09 PM EST
{"commentId":10840845,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

nope...we both just assumed she was Irish and her folks don't care nothing for genealogy. We are still trying to get any info on her grandpa or anything further back but her mom doesn't like to talk about it.

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#1.20 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:22 AM EST
{"commentId":10841040,"authorDomain":"hello-newman55"}

Isn't it amazing the things you can still discover about someone you think you know so well. It was only about 5 yrs ago that my wife discovered that she's part Lithuanian. Like you, Frosty, I automatically just think of my wife as Irish (her fondness for beer and bad cookin'), even though she's actually ½ Irish, ½ Polish, and ½ German, and all Brooklyn. I'm 100% Sicilian (born there, raised in Brooklyn). I trace my family as far back as great, great grandparents to the same town (which is incidentally the same as my last name). Her grandfather was a tough Irish kid from Brooklyn, who met her grandmother in Germany as a GI during WWII.

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#1.21 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:02 AM EST
{"commentId":10841714,"authorDomain":"kentraci1011"}

Irish and Scotch, God Lord! At least she's not a Welcher!

jk, My wife and I are both German, on both sides, so we fight over everything!

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#1.22 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:54 AM EST
{"commentId":10843821,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

tang, that's what makes life so interesting and yeah I feel ya on the bad cookin. there are things that she likes that I just don't get and don't want to be around. On my dad's side I can trace the family back to them coming to the US but I have only started my mothers side and getting anything out of my wife's side is like pulling hens teeth.

KGMO, lol...that was pretty good, I'll have to remember that one. I have a German neighbor and she can argue with the best of them.

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#1.23 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:27 AM EST
{"commentId":10844811,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

Northern Ireland around Ulster in particular was settled by many Scots over the years. Then, many of those families left Ireland and came to the US to escape the potatoe famines. So, anyone that is Irish could be actually Scotch-Irish. In fact, many Craigs are Scotch-Irish. But, I know I'm mostly German with a little Dutch thrown in on my father's side. In fact, I can trace my ancestry to both a Dutch Admiral and to the Pennsylvania Dutch (or Deutsch).

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#1.24 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:11 AM EST
{"commentId":10846935,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

My ancestors some worked on the first railroads here in the U.S.

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#1.25 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:40 PM EST
{"commentId":10847022,"authorDomain":"hello-newman55"}

Thankfully I'm a great cook, frosty. Meals are a top priority for Italians and I've got all my mama's recipes. My kids grew up thinking that it's mostly the dads that do the cooking in the family. Over the years I taught my wife and she's improved. It's fun discovering your family history. I have an uncle who's related to Anthony DiBenedetto (Tony Bennett), and more distantly to Frank Sinatra.

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#1.26 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:43 PM EST
{"commentId":10847085,"authorDomain":"hello-newman55"}
My ancestors some worked on the first railroads here in the U.S.

Were they Chinese?

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#1.27 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM EST
{"commentId":10847535,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

I think I answered way up towards the top someplace that I am Irish, English, and some Portogoose... The Irish helped build the first railroads .. and there were Chinese workers too.

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#1.28 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST
{"commentId":10847597,"authorDomain":"hello-newman55"}

What's Portogoose?

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#1.29 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST
{"commentId":10849528,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

Great article, frostyone!

If we all go back far enough, we're all related somewhere. :-)

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#1.30 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:16 PM EST
{"commentId":10850725,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

very true Dowser and glad you liked it :)

My wife's cooking has improved over the years but when we first married I was wondering if I might starve first. While I can cook I'm not fond of doing it at all so I just do the dishes.

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#1.31 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:56 PM EST
{"commentId":10854994,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

Tangojones - sorry I only give classes on saturdays between 4am and 4:15am.

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#1.32 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:48 PM EST
{"commentId":10862065,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

Frosty

That reminds me. I know it's Turkey day coming but for Good News Wed I just finished my article for "Fully Loaded Chilli". All this talk about food had me looking for some hot food. Stuck with a cold sandwich tonight because somebody shorted out the microwave (Greg what makes you think I'd tell anybody you screwed up fixing the building ground last night and sent over 400 volts down the main 120 power line while the microwave was being used? I happen to be discussing family history with a friend).

The above is what happens when kids today don't learn to mind there own business and ask what the supervisor is doing. Besides I'm being paid to monitor and he's being paid to risk getting fried.

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#1.33 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:02 AM EST
{"commentId":10862195,"authorDomain":"dustyd64"}

Like many Utahns, when I do my my family research, I only find embarassment.

When I searched for my last name, I discovered it to be a namesake of an inbreeding and xenophobic city in Denmark that only just integrated into the rest of the world within the last 300 years. I also found out that while my family emigrated here in my granparent's generation (which I already knew), many of them became polygamists...long after it was illegal...we're talking 1960's.

On the other hand, my mother's side isn't disappointing at all. They're the Andersens of Copenhagen (yes, relation to Hans Christian Andersen, note the "sen") who emigrated just before World War 2.

It's also not a coincidence that both my parents are Danish...my grandmother insisted my mother marry into a Danish family. For the life of me, I don't know how marrying a Danish man is better than marrying one from a family that doesn't have a history of inbreeding and polygamy.

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#1.34 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:17 AM EST
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{"commentId":10827532,"authorDomain":"robertlyn-schultz"}

Hey Frosty,

Cool Dealio my friend, The whole family in Kilts... that'd be sweet. :^) I did not know that there were Kilts for females... those be called skirts 'round here. hehehe

Have a good'un,

Aloha

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Reply#2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:48 AM EST
{"commentId":10829141,"authorDomain":"kperodin"}
:^) I did not know that there were Kilts for females... those be called skirts 'round here. hehehe

LOL!

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#2.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:58 AM EST
{"commentId":10833495,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

I had thought the same thing but sure enough I was at a kilt site and they were showing the ladies kilts. I'll have to post a couple of picks once we get them all set. Glad to see ya again and try to have some fun ;)

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#2.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:24 PM EST
{"commentId":10835575,"authorDomain":"jewel-one"}

When I was a girl, I always had a kilt to wear. Some girls had beautiful decorated kilt pins to hold the kilt closed.

A wool kilt and woolen knee socks keeps you warm , has freedom of movement due to the pleats and you can pick your tartan. I loved wearing my kilt skirt.

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#2.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:06 PM EST
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{"commentId":10827585,"authorDomain":"Husker88Fan"}

Good morning frostyone (or should I say good night .. had a bad night for pain so still up but hoping to get a few hours sleep now as it's getting better). Anyway, I know a lot of people who are into the genealogy thing. I'm just not one of them. I have a hard enough time keeping up on the family living in the states NOW. LOL I did have an aunt do a lot of ours and found we came from the Isle of Man but that's about all the know (or remember) about it. It does seem like one of those projects that never ends as there's always a branch off into another direction. That in itself would drive me nuts as I need to check things off of my to-do list or my whole day is ruined. LOL I hope you and your family have a great Sunday!

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Reply#3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:11 AM EST
{"commentId":10833554,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Hey Husker sorry to hear about the pain and hopefully you'll be getting some rest before long. I was pretty lucky on our family history as my dad has an aunt that has been working on ours for around 30 years or so and even compiled a book. I've always been facinated by history and family history is just a small branch from there. You sound like you are very goal oriented and that's a good thing until you hit genealogy..LOL Thanks and I hope you and yours are having a good, relaxing day as well. ;)

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#3.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:29 PM EST
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{"commentId":10827885,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

Hey Frosty

Don't feel bad it happens and for the most part people just don't think to ask. I know my tree has so many branches that to even try would take more years than I have left to trace them all. Just down to my great grand dads I have White, black, Indian, and Italian (and that's just what I know without having to look). Now add in my wife from Guam, grand kids whose mother is Latin/Hispanic, and a half sister whose mother is from South America an it becomes a full time job.

Now I know what your thinking but I'm a mutt and I'm happy being a mutt. The women in my family mostly live to 104 and the men to 95 so anything else that comes with being a mutt can't be that bad. A long healthy life to look forward to from birth and dieing in my sleep like those that came before me is a good trade off when the toughest guesting you have to answer growing up is "Race" and you can mark other with a smile.

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Reply#4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:44 AM EST
{"commentId":10833593,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Tony, sounds more like a grove than a tree..lol. With such a convoluted tree I'd go crazy trying to trace the branches. There are times I'd like to mark other just to see what happend ;)

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#4.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:31 PM EST
{"commentId":10842588,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

It's fun :)

I've marked that little card at DMV other and wrote in all the above. You should see the looks on the face of whoever is working. Priceless. Then you always get someone that says you have to pick one because you can't have All the Above. I ask why not and it turns into a scene from Monty Python.

Just have to remember to take copies of my parents and grand parents BC's when I go someplace that doesn't know me where I have to fill out those pesky cards. Almost went to jail when one lady thought I must be taking drugs and tried to have me arrested. Me and the cop are still friends but she no longer works for the NC DMV.

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#4.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:18 AM EST
{"commentId":10843661,"authorDomain":"kentraci1011"}
she no longer works for the NC DMV.

One down, hundreds to go. ;^)

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#4.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:18 AM EST
{"commentId":10843898,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Tony, that reminds me of a fella I bumped into at college. He was from South Africa and was white. When filling out the forms he'd mark African-American. I loved watching the clerk try and tell him that he wasn't an African-American it got rather interesting.

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#4.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:30 AM EST
{"commentId":10862190,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

If it came anywhere close to what happens with me I'll bet it did.

Even though I grew up during the time when Race seemed more important to some people then the person standing before them I never lost that chip on my shoulder. Got into fights, won some, lost some, but never gave into lables. I'm Human and that's really the only lable that matters.

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#4.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:16 AM EST
{"commentId":10862989,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

I know what ya mean. Oh and he argued and even got the supervisor involved...it was better than watching some tv shows..lol

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#4.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:23 AM EST
{"commentId":10863443,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

:)

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#4.7 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 5:44 AM EST
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{"commentId":10827896,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

My family name isn't associated with a tartan. Most Irish clans didn't have one, and instead wore the tartan from their county. McCann originated in County Armagh, so this is my tartan, and this is the family crest.

The McCann motto is Crescit sub Pondere Virtua, which means Virtue thrives under oppression.

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Reply#5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:46 AM EST
{"commentId":10830818,"authorDomain":"raatkiraani"}

Impressive list of noteworthy McCanns including a politician, novelist, 2 footballers, professor, etc. And an artist now:-)

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#5.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 12:02 PM EST
{"commentId":10833610,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

cool Tartan and Crest Dennis and the motto is a good, strong one as well.

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#5.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:33 PM EST
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{"commentId":10828626,"authorDomain":"john-133"}
Johnboy-821682Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

You may feel stupid, but not as stupid I feel having wasted my time with this article.

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Reply#6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:16 AM EST
{"commentId":10828673,"authorDomain":"augurwell"}

Well, ya don't know if ya don't ask! Too funny, frosty!

I did the same thing a few years ago, well, actually, a lot of years ago, and by the time I got to the third country, and two were behind the Iron Curtain (at the time) it came to a screeching halt! Good luck in those days trying to information from those Departments/Ministries! Might as well be asking for State Secrets! But things are a little better now.

Anyway, mostly Hungarian, a nice dose of Italian, a touch of Romanian, a dash of Native American, Jicarilla Apache, and all American!

(*pinkgrins*!)

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  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:20 AM EST
{"commentId":10833647,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Hey Augur, I can imagine the curtain coming down on ya because information is valuable and they wouldn't want to give up anything that they saw as potentially valuable. A good mix as well.

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  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:37 PM EST
{"commentId":10835924,"authorDomain":"cookinmama"}

hungarian , irish and a wee bit of scottish far as i know...

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  • 2 votes
#7.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:32 PM EST
{"commentId":10835948,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

Hey cookin glad to see ya again. Hope all is going good with you and Mista up there. Try not to get too cold though.

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  • 4 votes
#7.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:33 PM EST
{"commentId":10835981,"authorDomain":"cookinmama"}

we dont get very cold here it's 58 right now.

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  • 2 votes
#7.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:36 PM EST
{"commentId":10836527,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

thats good, it's been getting rather chilly around here but as long as the wind stays down it's pretty good.

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  • 3 votes
#7.5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:21 PM EST
Reply
{"commentId":10829645,"authorDomain":"jwc2blue"}

Hi Frosty,

Well I wouldn't feel too bad, were I you. It turned out to have a happy ending and she seems to have been O.K. about the whole thing. All's well that ends well.

BTW, I'm Irish, Italian, French and Polish. I don't need a tartan, I need a leash!

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  • 4 votes
Reply#8 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:39 AM EST
{"commentId":10833755,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

LOL....there are times I need a leash as well :)

It was pretty cool because now she getting interested in her family history and is willing to indulge my kilt obsession as long as my legs look nice :)

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  • 5 votes
#8.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:46 PM EST
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{"commentId":10830232,"authorDomain":"DEMOKRAT"}
DEMOKRATExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

If you are going to suggest that it be possible that the readers wonder how all that is important it would also make sense that you convince us why it is so. But you still do not venture there as it is. My understanding is you were attempting to impress upon us some form of entertaining writing skill. It will not have been so as far as i go. In other words, you will have given me another excuse to comment negatively. This will have made it somewhat more interesting.

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    Reply#9 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:27 AM EST
    {"commentId":10830643,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
    In other words, you will have given me another excuse to comment negatively.

    My guess is that you don't need an excuse.

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    • 7 votes
    #9.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:52 AM EST
    {"commentId":10832890,"authorDomain":"neenie1991"}

    Aye, and there's one in every crowd.

    I'll have to do some searching myself. Thanks Frosty! As far as feeling stupid, that's a chronic condition for me.

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    • 3 votes
    #9.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 2:31 PM EST
    {"commentId":10833797,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    I know just what ya mean neenie, There is always something that comes along and makes me feel rather stupid for not noticing it before hand especially when it comes to the interesting ways in which the kids get in to trouble.

    Thanks Dennis and I think you may be right.

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    • 4 votes
    #9.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:50 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835968,"authorDomain":"cookinmama"}

    frosty thanks for writing this.

    dennis thanks for the link I know have seen the county tartan for my dad's side of the family way cool.

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    • 1 vote
    #9.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:35 PM EST
    {"commentId":10836538,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    glad we could help and that you liked it cookin mama

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    • 2 votes
    #9.5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:22 PM EST
    Reply
    {"commentId":10833251,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    If ya dont ask. Ya don't know. And by the same token if information isn't fully disclosed or shared no one should be blamed.

    It happens.

    Some people are just more inquisitive than others, some share more than others.

    Maybe there's a way for me to find out why in bloody hell a Latin woman like me with no association or background to Scotland, Ireland and Britain has always loved and been facinated all things Scottish, Celtic, British oh and even weirder, Japanese?

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    • 3 votes
    Reply#10 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:02 PM EST
    {"commentId":10833859,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    lol..I just always thought that her name was Irish and didn't even think it was Scottish so I never asked. Plus she really wasn't all that interested back then but now that she is I'm glad I was able to find out for her.

    Hmmm...until you tossed in Japanese I'd have guessed it was because of the wild ruffian ways but now I'd think it might have to do with the warrior pasts of each culture. I know that was what fascinated me the most about the Japanese as well as the Celtic and British culture.

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    • 6 votes
    #10.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:55 PM EST
    {"commentId":10834007,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    Frosty

    After 20 years Im sure this isn't a deal breaker :-) Besides, it's always good to learn something new everyday.

    Yeah, tossed in Japanese. My dad was stationed there and so he told me stories about it and from then on I was drawn to the culture. Yes, the Samurai, the Shogunate and the Geisha definitely are interesting. I ended up marrying someone who is Japanese.

    Im not sure what drew me to all things Scottish, Celtic & British though. Just been a lifelong draw. Perhaps it is that warrior spirit.

    Im dying to spend time in Scotland.

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    • 3 votes
    #10.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:08 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835492,"authorDomain":"jewel-one"}

    I've been to Scotland a few times. It's a very beautiful place. The castles and landscape are beautiful.

    The history is well preserved and the people.. well lets just say in Scotland the men are gorgeous and the women hardy.

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    • 2 votes
    #10.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:59 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835558,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    Well, I'll be going for the castles, the landscape, the history and hopefully with my pretty handsome part Scot of a honey.

    Not the women or the Hagis.

    ;-)

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    • 3 votes
    #10.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:04 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835618,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    You're right Golden a day with out learning is a day wasted. I'd love to get orders to Japan because their culture has always fascinated me and I'd love to see it first hand. From reading your post I'd bet it is their warrior spirit that draws ya and I hope you get the chance to go to the Isle's and see it first hand.

    common,

    the men are gorgeous and the women hardy. That's an interesting observation..lol. A good strong woman is a great thing to have IMO. I can hardly wait to go there and see the history first hand.

    I'd have to try the Hagis at least once

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    • 4 votes
    #10.5 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:09 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835807,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    Frosty

    My ex husband was stationed in Yokosuka. Never made it to Japan and would love to go and see and share that side of my daughter's culture with her.

    We have friends in Japan and I am hoping my daughter is able to go spend a summer there next year. Of which of course I will fly out there with her get her settled and spend a little time exploring.

    Haggis is definitely an acquired taste, one that I never nor ever will! A good friend of mine is married to a Clan chief and they were the hosts for the highland games so I was invited to take part. Part of that was eating the Haggis. I had to have 4 shots of scotch before and after. I ate it, but damn, it was hard to maintain feminine decorum

    LOL

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    • 2 votes
    #10.6 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:23 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835885,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    LOL!! I can only imagine the face I'd make when I try it. Hopefully she will get to go and that ya'll can go exploring and see the shrines I think you'd just fall in love from the pictures I've seen of it.

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    • 4 votes
    #10.7 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:28 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835926,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    I tried not to make a face, but I'm sure they saw it in my eyes. I can have a poker face but my eyes never lie LOL

    Yeah Im hoping to be able to swing it. Shinto shrines are beautiful.

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    • 1 vote
    #10.8 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:32 PM EST
    {"commentId":10835960,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

    lol...my poker face just plain sucks, it might be all I can do not to spit it out much less grimace.

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    • 3 votes
    #10.9 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:35 PM EST
    {"commentId":10836001,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    Drink the scotch man, drink the scotch!

    :)

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    • 2 votes
    #10.10 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:38 PM EST
    {"commentId":10836052,"authorDomain":"cookinmama"}

    would not touch that stuff with a ten foot pole, or blood pudding EWWWW EWWW EEWWWW. LOL

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    • 3 votes
    #10.11 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:41 PM EST
    {"commentId":10836069,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    When I met my exes grandparents it was on Jan. 1st. New Year's Day is the most important holiday in Japan.

    I arrived (not knowing what to expect) was given a Kimono and was helped into it. It was all very solemn and traditional. It was actually pretty neat. And then I sat in utter silence and had to eat traditional authentic (not Americanized) Japanese foods.

    I dont eat seafood but I had to eat some of the weirdest things and I must have gone through 4 bottles of sake just to get through it. My ex was trying to hide his hysterical laughter just waiting for me to call time out. I made it through and won their approval.

    I almost broke it off with him.

    LOL

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    • 1 vote
    #10.12 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:43 PM EST
    {"commentId":10836165,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
    I'd have to try the Hagis at least once

    No, man. Trust me on this one. You really don't have to try the haggis.

    *shudder*

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    • 4 votes
    #10.13 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:51 PM EST
    {"commentId":10836203,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

    Tried it once.

    It's now on my been there done that never to do it again list.

    As are Mirugai, Uni, etc.

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    • 2 votes
    #10.14 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:54 PM EST
    {"commentId":10836805,"authorDomain":"kmkfornow"}

    I think it's something about those bagpipes!

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      #10.15 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:43 PM EST
      {"commentId":10836875,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

      could be, I do love to hear a good bagpipe

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      • 3 votes
      #10.16 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:50 PM EST
      {"commentId":10836937,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      I promised myself I wouldn't be rude.. but I lie to myself a lot.. do the people who play the bagpipes.. hum or blow on them?

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      • 3 votes
      #10.17 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:56 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837172,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      I love bagpipes and the music.

      They blow Par.

      Oh and btw I think we all say to ourselves......Ima not gon'be rude......Ima not gon'be rude......and then....

      Our mouths open and voila!

      .....and no Par you weren't rude.....at least I didnt take it that way.

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      • 2 votes
      #10.18 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:16 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837237,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      Thank you Susi..

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      • 3 votes
      #10.19 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:21 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837469,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

      nah not rude just funny..btw thanks for the heads up on the ads Par

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      • 3 votes
      #10.20 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:41 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837536,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      You're quite welcome Par :)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.21 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 8:47 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837732,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      Frosty - like for sure.. like totally...

      Susi - thank you for you're welcome.. I thank you.

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      • 3 votes
      #10.22 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:03 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837830,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Par-- thank you for your you're welcome...I thank you.

      Any moment now you and I will begin sounding like Chip & Dale.

      :)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.23 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:11 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837876,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      One of my favorites when I was a sprout.

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      • 3 votes
      #10.24 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:14 PM EST
      {"commentId":10837903,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Mine, too!

      :)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.25 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:17 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838010,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      Susi - Thank you for your you're welcome for my thanking you ..

      Oh.. what was the topic on here? ;) Oh ya.. a soft curvy framed set of crest.

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      • 3 votes
      #10.26 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:26 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838102,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Par no no thank you for your thank you for my you're welcome when I thanked you for thanking me when you thanked me.

      Good Lord, this is a confusing as Lady Ga Ga.

      ;-)

      I forgot what the topic is about. LOL

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      • 2 votes
      #10.27 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:33 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838197,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      Susi - I am now officially dizzy.. Confusing - Good Lord.. at least you called me by my given name.. and for that you win an all expenses paid vacation to Guam..you and your guest will receive a spa treatment in this 5 days and 6 night trip... Where your family "Crest" will be laid out for others to admire...compliments of Frosty the Crest guy.

      Family Crest - Frosty felt stupid for some reason.. and something to do with his Wife's Crest... I bet he .... never mind.. but.. that's all I got from that story .. ;)

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      • 3 votes
      #10.28 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:40 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838294,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Oh but Good Lord you wear dizzy well!

      :-)

      I've always wanted to go to Guam the land of no birds and rampant brown snakes. Perhaps as I stare in awe at my family crest laid out in front of me I can get finally get rid of my irrational fear and phobia of all things serpent.

      Great, great island to do that!

      Thank you God.

      :-)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.29 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:48 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838329,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      lmao... I really do not know what to say.. left me speechless..

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      • 3 votes
      #10.30 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:50 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838368,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Throws head back and laughs.......

      Not only did God get it wrong with where to send me.......I left him speecless.

      Now I'm sure he's going to send me to hell!

      LOL

      ;-)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.31 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:54 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838530,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      If I was a God.. I would want to be the God of Weather..

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      • 3 votes
      #10.32 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:06 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838543,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      And I am sure it would always be fair.

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      • 2 votes
      #10.33 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:07 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838591,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      Fair where we are with a little rain now and then.. elsewhere freezing and tons of snow. Lightening to all enemy countries 24/7... tornadoes..

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      • 3 votes
      #10.34 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:12 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838621,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Send a lil more rain and coolness to Florida.

      :)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.35 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:14 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838652,"authorDomain":"par4thecourse"}

      lmao...

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      • 3 votes
      #10.36 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:17 PM EST
      {"commentId":10838900,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      :)

      We have plenty of lightning here. Tell ya what, take our lightning, send some of the cool weather from the PNW send it here.

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      • 2 votes
      #10.37 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 10:43 PM EST
      {"commentId":10839884,"authorDomain":"augurwell"}

      And ye call yourselves Scots fans! Bah! What's a little sheep's stomach stuffed with meat and barley and spices but good hearty fodder!

      frosty, you can trust me! There's haggis, and then there's haggis! Unfortunately, there's only one way to find out! You guessed it! Try it! (*grin*!)

      I've had some I wouldn't call human food if you held my toes in a fire, but then, I've had some that was absolutely delicious! But you have to try it to find out which one you've got!

      (*pinkgrins*!)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.38 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:26 AM EST
      {"commentId":10839907,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}

      Man, I had some haggis at a Burn's Day celebration at a Scots Presbyterian Church a few years back that was absolutely divine!. No kidding!

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      • 3 votes
      #10.39 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:28 AM EST
      {"commentId":10839983,"authorDomain":"augurwell"}

      I truly believe it, Synthesis. Some I've had some I'd almost consider homicide to be able to reproduce it was so da**ed good! I wish I could! A wee bit of whisky next to it to wash it down, almost heaven. It sure isn't "light" but it sure can be good!

      frosty will try it, just for the "adventure" if anything else! Here's hoping he gets hold of a godd one!

      (*pinkgrins*!)

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      • 3 votes
      #10.40 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:38 AM EST
      {"commentId":10840857,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

      Yeah my sense of adventure can get the better of me sometimes but I'll have to try it once and hope I get a good one. I figure if I can try calamari I can try this. ;)

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      • 6 votes
      #10.41 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:27 AM EST
      {"commentId":10842330,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Augur!

      Your image is tarnished!

      lol

      ;)

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      • 4 votes
      #10.42 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:57 AM EST
      {"commentId":10847516,"authorDomain":"Woodchip1"}

      While hubby & I were in Scotland, we had the privilege of trying haggis. Thought I wouldn't like them, but talk about delicious! Don't know which I liked more, the gorgeous country, the wonderful people, or the haggis!

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      • 3 votes
      #10.43 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:02 PM EST
      {"commentId":10859076,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}

      Heh....didya try the scotch?

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      • 3 votes
      #10.44 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:26 PM EST
      {"commentId":10859373,"authorDomain":"augurwell"}

      Hi Susi! Tarnished?! How, I ask? Unless you disfavor haggis? Don't knock it till you try it!

      (*pinkgrins*!)

      (ah, but then, mayhap you have!)

      frosty, well, there's a couple of more votes there for you! Many more out there too! I always though that haggis suffers from a reputation not in line with its reality. Too many people bashing it over the years, and most probably never even tried it!

      (*pinkgrins*!)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.45 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:44 PM EST
      {"commentId":10862998,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

      I like to try something local when we travel such as bison steaks or gator sausage so I'll have to try it if we ever get to go. Whether its a good one or not I'll have a story to tell about it ;)

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      • 3 votes
      #10.46 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:26 AM EST
      {"commentId":10882582,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

      Augur

      Ay! I have had the misfortune if the Haggis invading my palate......with four chasers of Scotch........2 for bravery......2 to help me get over it!

      LOL!

      (And you know your image isn't tarnished)

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      • 2 votes
      #10.47 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:14 PM EST
      {"commentId":10882878,"authorDomain":"dustyd64"}

      Ever tried kimche?

      My sister almost married this guy who was half Korean, half Scottish. Guess what two delights were served up when my sister met the parents!

      My poor, poor sister...don't know how she made it through that night bowels intact!

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        #10.48 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:38 PM EST
        {"commentId":10882926,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

        Yep, Kimchee is oftern served with sushi. Nasty stuff I'd put it right up there with Vegemite.

        Damn......Kimchee and Haggis?

        I would be swimming in a vat of Sake and Scotch with that mix!

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        #10.49 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:43 PM EST
        {"commentId":10882981,"authorDomain":"dustyd64"}

        LOL!

        I've seen a LOT of weird Korean mixing with other cultures. In fact, when I used to work for U.S.Robotics, I was on the French support team with this guy named Hieng who grew up in Korea but defected to France.

        He'd bring kimche in for lunch but dunk all sorts of bread into it...BLECH!

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        #10.50 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:47 PM EST
        {"commentId":10883140,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

        Good Lord.......dipping French Bread in Kimchee!

        I know there is something else I should say but words escape me.

        LOL

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        #10.51 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:00 AM EST
        {"commentId":10883972,"authorDomain":"antoniowillia20"}

        OMG Not my idea of a good mix...EVER!

        When I was stationed at Osan I couldn't even deal with the body odor. We worked side by side with the S. Korean's and if you have ever had to stand beside someone that has been drinking saki or soju and eating Kimchee all weekend it makes your eyes water.

        That odor is the only thing I won't miss if I never get the chance to go back.

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        #10.52 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:23 AM EST
        {"commentId":10885231,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
        I would be swimming in a vat of Sake and Scotch with that mix!

        I'd be at the restaurant down the street...

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        #10.53 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:48 AM EST
        {"commentId":10886126,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

        Tony, my ex was in the Navy and he would say the only way to deal with the odor was to eat Kimchee pretty quickly after arriving. He had a deviated septum so his sense of smell wasn't always on track but in places like South Korea just like you said, enough to make your eyes water.

        Love Sake can't stand Kimchee. Haggis was just wrong on so many levels. 2 shots of Scotch for bravery and 2 afterwards to forget!

        Dennis I would probably join you.

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        #10.54 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:37 AM EST
        {"commentId":10886464,"authorDomain":"ricksuth"}

        When I was in the Navy, I swear you could smell Korea 15 miles out to sea. That Kinchee is some pretty rank stuff

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          #10.55 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:02 AM EST
          {"commentId":10886544,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

          Yeah heard 12 years worth of stories about that and @!$%# River in P.I.

          Ive had authentic from SK Kimchee given to me as a 'ha ha' gift from the ex as well a Vegemite from Australia.

          Grounds for divorce.

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          • 2 votes
          #10.56 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:07 AM EST
          {"commentId":10887395,"authorDomain":"ricksuth"}

          I have also been to that city in PI called Olongapo. The sewage from the city was dumped untreated into the canal. Some of the squawlered sections of city would actualy have the bathroom built over the canal. It was like an indoor outhouse, a hole on a seat directly over the water. It was disturbing to walk over that bridge and see young ladies in what they call bancas (Small Boats) asking for money. Servicemen would toss coins and if they didn't catch it a little boy would jump in to retrieve it.

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            #10.57 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:48 AM EST
            {"commentId":10890031,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

            Yep, exactly Ricksuth. I can only imagine. I've seen pictures.

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            #10.58 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:30 AM EST
            {"commentId":10890120,"authorDomain":"ricksuth"}

            Not Pretty

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              #10.59 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:34 AM EST
              {"commentId":10891611,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

              Nope. Not at all. And the stories are even worse.

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                #10.60 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:36 PM EST
                {"commentId":10892229,"authorDomain":"augurwell"}

                Augur loves kimchee! Straight out of the ground out of the croc! Hot enough to melt concrete! Yum yum yum! The first time I had any was in a small restaurant in Seoul, and I swear, it was so friggin' hot, if you didn't eat it fast enough, the bowl it was in would start to decompose!

                But it was delicious!

                (*pinkgrins*!)

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                  #10.61 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:00 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10893426,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                  .........imagine how your insides felt!

                  lol

                  ;)

                  Acquired taste to be sure. It is interesting how it's made though in those huge clay pots under ground.

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                  #10.62 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:54 PM EST
                  {"commentId":10897434,"authorDomain":"augurwell"}

                  My Dad's mother would "put up" about ten or twelve five gallon clay pots every fall, the old fashioned way, a lid and a brick on top of each one, and line them down the hall in the basement, stuffed with cabbage and cukes from the garden to make her own kraut, and a couple for pickles. Every fall. She lived downstairs, we lived up. Guess what the house "aroma" was all winter! It's a darned good thing we all liked the stuff!

                  So by the time I got to Korea, their kimchee was almost a natural!

                  (*pinkgrins*!)

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                    #10.63 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:24 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10897648,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                    Augur

                    You had Kraut.......we had oak barrels with wine fermenting. My uncle would drive to Sonoma/Napa get crates of deep, dark, succulant grapes, we'd have a HUGE BBQ ending with a traditional grape stomp, the priest would come and bless the grapes and then he and his partner would start the process of wine making.

                    We had the largest garage and the largest backyard....so for years we had 6 oak barrels in our garage.

                    And just like you......the aroma would seep upstairs and our house smelled like a winery.

                    Now my grandmother, every Holy Week would go and buy the Bakalao (Cod Fish) and hang it to dry in the sun inside our sun room. You can imagine that it was rather stinky in our house for about a week.

                    That smell I never got used to.....in fact thinking about it makes me dry heave!

                    LOL

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                    #10.64 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:37 PM EST
                    {"commentId":10902262,"authorDomain":"augurwell"}

                    omg! The dried fish too! Luckily, she didn't do that for too long! Actually, that never really bothered me! But I never got used to the fish soups. yech!

                    (*pinkgrins*!)

                    Happy Thanksgiving!

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                      #10.65 - Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:52 AM EST
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                      {"commentId":10833849,"authorDomain":"kimberly-wells"}

                      Hi, frosty, if your wife has a temper that would have been a clue to her heritage. At least it was for my husband who did ask. I'm Scot-Irish-Dutch-German myself and I really don't want to know how that combo came about. But I would love to visit Scotland, England and Ireland and see the non-tourist spots. The pictures I have seen were beautiful.

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                      Reply#11 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:54 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10833898,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      Oh yeah she has a temper...it almost matched mine when I was younger..lol. I'd love to go to the Isle of Sky and take the off beat path as well. Hopefully she'll get orders to Europe and we can take a few trips out. Interesting combo especially the Dutch tossed in. At least now we both know why we don't tan. :)

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                      • 4 votes
                      #11.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:58 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10833934,"authorDomain":"kimberly-wells"}

                      Speak for yourself. I tan very nicely (lasts a long time too) when I take the time out to do it.

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                      • 1 vote
                      #11.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:02 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10835623,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      ah you're lucky we just burn and peel and burn again. sometimes we freckle..lol

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                      • 4 votes
                      #11.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:10 PM EST
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                      {"commentId":10834627,"authorDomain":"keeper33"}

                      all this chat makes me find humor in the fact that my heritage is rooted in the British Isles and also Native American....so I guess that means I'll always be at war with myself

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                      Reply#12 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 4:55 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10835642,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      LOL...I'd venture to say you're right. At least you'll always know the enemy?

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                      • 5 votes
                      #12.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 6:11 PM EST
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                      {"commentId":10836414,"authorDomain":"blackcat8838"}

                      50%Irish/50%Scottish is an unusual combination to say the least. For you to expose your ignorance to this fact indeed means your only way out is going big at Christmas. Sounds like you're doing all the right things, as usual. Carry on. xoxoNan.

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                      Reply#13 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:11 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10836578,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      Hey Nan, I'd already gotten her something nice for Christmas and now she can get her dad something nice and unexpected as well. I'll see if I can find a crumpet or two around here as well. xoxo

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                      • 5 votes
                      #13.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:26 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10836840,"authorDomain":"kmkfornow"}

                      My grandfather's mother was Scottish presbyterian, grandfather's father was Irish Catholic. He said it was perpetual war, just like the song "The Orange and the Green."

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                      • 1 vote
                      #13.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:47 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10836888,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      lol..sounds like it was an interesting household for sure<G>

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                      • 3 votes
                      #13.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:51 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10838098,"authorDomain":"cookinmama"}

                      I have that song on a 45 record.

                      trader joes in vegas has crumpets.

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                      #13.4 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:33 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10840858,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      trader joe always has good stuff you might not see anywhere else.

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                      • 3 votes
                      #13.5 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:28 AM EST
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                      {"commentId":10836444,"authorDomain":"blackcat8838"}

                      Please to save Nanoraptor one of dem crumpets. Tanks.

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                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#14 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:14 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10836583,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                      ROFL

                      frosty,

                      My wife and I both have Tartans. My family has the most common surname in Scotland and Ireland, while my wife is descended from the Douglas clan. In fact at our wedding we wore our plaids for the ceremony. <chuckle>

                      Oh, by the way, I think the motto on my family's crest is "Always faithful" or something like that. It's been a long time since I looked up the heraldry of my family.

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                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#15 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:26 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10836632,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      lucky man Tom, I found her Tartan and am thinking of wearing it since I don't have one unless I go back to my mothers side of the family. My wife's motto is: to succour the needy I think I'll have to look at it again.

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                      • 5 votes
                      #15.1 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:30 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10836700,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                      At least your crest isn't of a horseman with a broken lance. <chuckle>

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                      • 3 votes
                      #15.2 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:35 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10836781,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      *chuckle* that's true not sure how I'd feel about the broken lance but I'd imagine that there are worse ones.

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                      • 5 votes
                      #15.3 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:42 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10840942,"authorDomain":"keeper33"}

                      If you stand just the right distance from mine....er....the European side of the family, that is, it looks like a giant beetle *puts hand over eyes, shaking head*

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                      • 1 vote
                      #15.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:05 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10843934,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      A giant beetle? actually that sounds kinda cool but it makes you wonder what some of these people were thinking about when they came up with the designs.

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                      • 4 votes
                      #15.5 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:32 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10844839,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                      They were probably drunk on mead or ale. <chuckle>

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                      • 3 votes
                      #15.6 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:12 AM EST
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                      {"commentId":10836925,"authorDomain":"kmkfornow"}

                      Dad's name was Irish and Mom, whose family line is entirely English, was always somewhat besotted with our Irish heritage. She began researching genealogy and was able to trace her ancestry back to an ancestor who left Leeds, I think it was, in the 1800s.

                      Then she was totally blown away to discover someone had researched Dad's family and written the entire genealogy from the first one who landed in Massachusetts in the 1600s. My sisters and I got to looking at the names of the women they married, and our guess is that not much Irish is left in our veins these days.

                      As for my earlier post about my great-grandpa being Irish catholic, that's a bit of family lore and I'm guessing Great-grandpa had an Irish name and that's about all, though he was a drinker and a fighter -- as was my dad.

                      But family history is fun and interesting.

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                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#16 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 7:55 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10837344,"authorDomain":"etradingitems"}
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                      {"commentId":10838136,"authorDomain":"cookinmama"}

                      dont you just hate spammers frosty....

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                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#19 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:35 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10840864,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      completely. I wouldn't mind if I'd asked for the ad but to just dump one in the article is plain rude.

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                      • 5 votes
                      #19.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:29 AM EST
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                      {"commentId":10839538,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}

                      Frostyone, if your wife has Gunns in her family history, she is linked to an illustrious name, indeed.

                      Said to have been founded 1237 by one Gunnar, son of the Viking Chief Olaf the Black, the Gunn Clan was famed in the north of Scotland, Caithness and the Orkneys, where they were vassals of the hereditary Earl of the Orkneys, the head of Clan Sinclair.

                      They came to my attention when I was researching the Zeno Narratives, about the pre-Columbian voyages of Jarl Henry Sinclair. A Gunn knight called Sir James Gunn was said to have accompanied Sinclair, and died on the trip, to be put to rest in Massachussets, where an effigy of him is is known as The Westford Knight.

                      So, if the Zeno Narratives are correct, your wife's ancestor was one of the first Europeans to visit North America.

                      Cool!

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                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#20 - Sun Nov 22, 2009 11:43 PM EST
                      {"commentId":10840871,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      COOL!! Not sure if she does but I have Gunns in the family. My mother's maiden name. I'll have to do more reading on the name history but you have given me a great start. I wonder if I can wear the Gunn Tartan since my mother is a Gunn?

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                      • 3 votes
                      #20.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:31 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10840879,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

                      So you're a Son of a Gunn?

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                      • 6 votes
                      #20.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:35 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10844870,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                      Great, frosty's loaded...<G>

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                      • 6 votes
                      #20.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:13 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10850809,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      been called that and much worse over the years...lol

                      and yeah been loaded a time or two <G>

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                      • 4 votes
                      #20.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:59 PM EST
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                      {"commentId":10839734,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

                      Pretty cool stuff. Never looked at this before. My family seems to be english, welsh and scottish. Barrow, Hale, Watkins, Boyd, Shepherd, Stuart, Curry and Barber are all names in my family line. My grandpa always said we were scots/irish.

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                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#21 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:07 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10840878,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      Glad I could give ya the link. Finding out about your family, imo, can help give ya roots and a feeling of history, you've got some good names in that list.

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                      • 2 votes
                      #21.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:34 AM EST
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                      {"commentId":10840633,"authorDomain":"crusher"}

                      100% Irish here too, note my avatar. Actually about 3 years ago, I decided it was time to become an Irish citizen and there are some benefits in this global economy for having dual citizenship. Been to Ireland twice now and I'm looking forward to returning again. I only wish England would give Northern Ireland and return it to its rightful place under the Republic or Ireland.

                      Best of luck on your tartan search and perhaps you and the missus can take a nice vacation across the pond to Scotland/Ireland, you'll have loads of fun and great drink :)

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                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#22 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:23 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10840887,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      Never thought much about dual citizenship but you have a good point as to the benefits it has. I'd love to go and see all the history and try some of the food. The wife wants to take all kinds of pictures of places our familys came from. I have that same wish but not sure if I'll live to see it. If we get orders to Europe you can bet we'll be tramping all over the Isle.

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                      • 4 votes
                      #22.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:37 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10840916,"authorDomain":"crusher"}

                      Frosty

                      First, the Guinness (not my choice of beer) is supposedly better tasting than what we have here, something about the difference in water quality I think. The Irish and even the English are not known for excellent food, but hey what do I know, I'm a picky eater. Second, if you or the wife have a grandparent or parent from Ireland (other countries may have similar laws) you automatically qualify for citizenship. To get the form contact your local Irish embassy here in the US and request a Foreign Birth Registry form. As an Irish citizen I'm also an EU citizen. I can own land, have a job, pension etc. in any EU country. The cool thing is you can pass the citizenship onto your offspring assuming they haven't been born yet. Third, when and if you go, have a high quality camera...everywhere you go is incredible. Fourth, IMO the best is the Cliffs of Moher...if you don't go there, you'll never forgive yourself. Bus tours leave out of Galway, just make sure the wife doesn't wear a skirt on that day or else she'll be giving everyone a nice show of her knickers due to the high winds :)

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                      • 3 votes
                      #22.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:54 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10844032,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                      Thanks Crusher we'll have to check out the Cliffs of Moher for sure, putting it on the list as I type. Oh and yeah knicker showing is not on the list of recommended activities...lol

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                      • 3 votes
                      #22.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:37 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10844908,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                      Crusher,

                      I doubt you'd get your wish for Northern Ireland, as that is mainly a Scottish population despite being in Ireland.

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                      • 2 votes
                      #22.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:14 AM EST
                      {"commentId":10849200,"authorDomain":"crusher"}

                      Tom, most may have Scottish and English roots due in large part to the Flight of Earls in 1607, but they still consider themselves Irish (or northern irish). Reunification may never happen until England can come out looking like the good guy in the whole dispute. Even now with relative peace in the north, passions run deep on both sides.

                      No matter the odds, I will still continue to have hope for reunification under the Republic.

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                        #22.5 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:00 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10851471,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                        I would love to see a reunited Ireland. But, as long as the British feel they can claim part of it, they will keep control over that part. It's been the history of the British to keep all or part of Ireland under its thumb. And, I think that history will continue indefinitely.

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                        • 2 votes
                        #22.6 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:21 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10853253,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

                        That was what Danny was telling me, all those years ago in New York. I can't blame them for being upset 1500 years of misery!

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                        • 1 vote
                        #22.7 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:26 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10853402,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
                        as long as the British

                        Hey, watch your language, Tom.

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                        • 4 votes
                        #22.8 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:32 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10853517,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                        It's a little hard to watch language, Dennis, as it is invisible for the most part. <G>

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                        • 3 votes
                        #22.9 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:37 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10853717,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

                        fair enough.

                        Of course, if you drink enough of the Irish you'll see it just fine....

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                        • 4 votes
                        #22.10 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:46 PM EST
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                        {"commentId":10841505,"authorDomain":"efucci"}

                        Very nice story! I'm half Scottish, quarter English, and quarter Irish... maiden name is Irish spelling of Scottish name. One of these years I'm gonna research it and see what my family's tartan looks like. :-)

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                        • 5 votes
                        Reply#23 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:28 AM EST
                        {"commentId":10843985,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                        shouldn't be too hard since you know the spellings. for my wife her name is actually a nick name and there are about 20 variations we've seen thus far and most of them have different tartans.....hurts the head sometimes..lol

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                        #23.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:34 AM EST
                        {"commentId":10845627,"authorDomain":"melrosefaulkner"}

                        I bet that got interesting during research. LOL

                        I have referred to myself as an American mutt for a while. Most of my family (with the notable exception of the Native Americans and one strand from my mother's family...) wasn't even in the US until either very late 1800's (1890 or later) or the super early 1900's. I know for sure that I have Scottish, Irish, German, Black Dutch and a few different types of Native American... Some others as well I am sure.

                        That was an interesting article. Thanks.

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                        #23.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:45 AM EST
                        {"commentId":10850858,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                        Hey Lissa thanks for stopping by and I'm glad you liked it :)

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                        #23.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:00 PM EST
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                        {"commentId":10855393,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

                        Scottish and Irish together is not unusual at all. Scots-Irish is actually almost a separate 'breed' as some families went back and forth over the inland sea from Ireland to Scotland and back. They'd spend a couple generations on one side, and cross over again. I don't know if their fortunes depended on political or religious changes or what.

                        Anyway, if a trip to British Isles is a bit beyond your budget, you might visit Milwaukee during the Scottish Fling. It's a weekend festival where hardy Scotsmen toss the cabers, etc. in their ridiculous but traditional feats of strength. I think in September sometime. aka Highland Fling.

                        I too have a wee bit of Scotland in me blood. A very wee bit but that's enough, t'wil do. I have a rather bit more of the Polish blood, but am descended from a green-eyed Pole. Hmmm, I like to say he was descended from a long-lost (very lost) Irishman who decamped Eire after a forgotten potato famine, loaded up the family in a coracle and set off for Poland, where the streets are paved with gold and people live off the fat of the land.

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                        Reply#24 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:08 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10855516,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

                        Glasgow, KY has Highland Games, too-- it is very fun!

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                        #24.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:14 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10855634,"authorDomain":"Wheel"}

                        We have highland games here in NC every year too. There is a large scots/irish population here.

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                        #24.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:21 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10855760,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                        Been to Highland Games.....so much fun.

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                        #24.3 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:29 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10855958,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

                        I love it when they wear kilts and throw trees around. :-)

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                        #24.4 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:41 PM EST
                        {"commentId":10861819,"authorDomain":"MinnieApolis"}

                        I suspected we were far from the only place to throw a Fling -- so glad to hear from some of you about other such games. Yes, throwing trees. Actually flipping them end over end is the object of that toss. Crazy Scots.

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                        #24.5 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:36 AM EST
                        {"commentId":10863013,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                        I've heard about the Flings but have never been to one as of yet but you can bet I'll be heading to one in the near future to see if it's as fun as the Renaissance Festivals we've went to...but I won't be try to toss no tree anytime soon..lol

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                        #24.6 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:29 AM EST
                        {"commentId":10884676,"authorDomain":"blackcat8838"}

                        Kilts are cool.

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                        #24.7 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:55 AM EST
                        {"commentId":10885233,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}

                        Comfortable, too.

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                        #24.8 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:49 AM EST
                        {"commentId":10886550,"authorDomain":"ricksuth"}

                        Are you suppose to wear under clothes under a Kilt? Wouldn't that be liberating feeling? They always seem to joke about that. Or is it the "Truth is often told in a Jest"

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                          #24.9 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:07 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10886585,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                          There is something about a man in a Kilt that is so appealing.

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                          #24.10 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:09 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10886875,"authorDomain":"paperdragon"}
                          Are you suppose to wear under clothes under a Kilt?

                          Clothes under a kilt? Why would anyone want to do that?

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                          #24.11 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:25 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10890672,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                          I have to agree Dennis I just can't picture wearing anything under the kilt. Now that I've decided what type and pattern to buy I'll have to take a couple of pics and maybe write a story about wearing it around this small town. Not sure what the reaction might be around here but I'll be finding out before too long i'd imagine.

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                          #24.12 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:57 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10891035,"authorDomain":"ricksuth"}

                          If I recall correctly, you live in Alaska. You might concider wearing something under that Kilt or might very well have a Frosty One

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                          #24.13 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:12 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10891115,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}
                          You might concider wearing something under that Kilt

                          A sock, maybe?

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                          #24.14 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:16 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10891196,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                          A sock? nah but a nice blue ribbon would work for me.

                          ricksuth....LOL, nah I moved from AK about a year ago to New Mexico because of the wife's orders

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                          #24.15 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:19 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10891404,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                          frosty,

                          Are you saying you won first prize? <G>

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                          #24.16 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:28 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10891474,"authorDomain":"DaVoh"}

                          dangit tom, i said that first

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                          #24.17 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:30 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10891478,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                          yup <EG>...loved that video btw

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                          #24.18 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:30 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10891654,"authorDomain":"tomwcraig"}

                          You're welcome. <chuckle>

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                          #24.19 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:38 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10898967,"authorDomain":"PrimarySources"}

                          Ashley MacIsaac, a fairly well-known young fiddle player hereabouts, used to be able to carry off the combination of a kilt with long underwear and army boots.

                          But then again, Canadian winters can be pretty damn cold...

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                          #24.20 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:21 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10899029,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                          yes they can I drove through Canada on my way up to Alaska back in 2005 and it was COLD!!

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                          #24.21 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:27 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":10857850,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                          :) Dowser Throwing of the Caber and Putting of the Stone.

                          http://www.caledonian.org/scottishlinks.html

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                          Reply#25 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:17 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10857964,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

                          I couldn't remember what they call it! :-)

                          Thanks, dear Golden Gate! Appreciate your help!

                          They do all the tree and rock throwing down at Glasgow, and play the pipes, but they stiil serve corn dogs, funnel cakes, and what we call, "Fair Food". And sweet iced tea. Gotta have the sweet iced tea. Somehow, I don't think that is too Scottish...

                          Here's a link to the Scottish Highland Games in Glasgow, KY. I know, I know, but we try hard...

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                          #25.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:23 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10858861,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                          Cool Dowswer keepin the down home in the highlands.

                          :)

                          Thanks for sharing the link. And you're welcome!

                          Ooo Sweet Tea and Haggis.......now there's a culinary treat! lol

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                          #25.2 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:13 PM EST
                          {"commentId":10863029,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                          thanks for the links, i've bookmarked them ;)

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                          #25.3 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:32 AM EST
                          {"commentId":10882590,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                          You're welcome :)

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                          #25.4 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:14 PM EST
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                          {"commentId":10859217,"authorDomain":"mstanley2265"}

                          And if you want to say nicely in Ky that someone is being hmm well hard headed you just say oh that's the Scots... but I'm from the Norse so himself didn't mess with me chuckle and don't you know that you don't need to tell himself every little thing bout yourself

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                            Reply#26 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:34 PM EST
                            {"commentId":10859532,"authorDomain":"mtmeyer1"}

                            That, too, mstanley! Are you from around here? You know all about us...

                            :-)

                            Glad to say...

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                              #26.1 - Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:52 PM EST
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                              {"commentId":10862328,"authorDomain":"darkdingo"}

                              OK... I have to admit, I often teased my ex-wife about being my Irish bride (she actually came from a VERY English family, with just a bit of Irish, but we were married on St Patrick's Day)... Well, I didn't meet my (biological) father until I was 33 (nine years ago) and come to find out I'm half Irish, LOL!

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                              Reply#27 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:33 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10863037,"authorDomain":"frostyone"}

                              LOL...now that's funny! I use to like picking on her about her temper and now that she knows she's using it as an excuse..LOL

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                              #27.1 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:33 AM EST
                              {"commentId":10882601,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                              You were Blarney'd!

                              ;)

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                              #27.2 - Tue Nov 24, 2009 11:15 PM EST
                              {"commentId":10901053,"authorDomain":"darkdingo"}

                              Sure 'twas, lassie... and here's hoping the saints give ye a foin Turkey Day tomorrow...

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                              #27.3 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:31 PM EST
                              {"commentId":10901690,"authorDomain":"susibv"}

                              Ay! Laddy, and may the sainted angels above bless thee and thine the same on the morrow!

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                              #27.4 - Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:42 PM EST
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